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29 Brendan Chaplin: "In business impostor syndrome is a teacher, if it’s not there, you’re too comfortable".

• Aaron Hill • Season 1 • Episode 29

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Dive headfirst into the wisdom of Brendan Chaplin, a renowned performance coach and entrepreneur who's mastered the art of impactful teaching and education.

Brendan takes us behind the scenes, sharing candidly the challenges and triumphs of his pursuit to make a lasting impression through his passion for coaching, balancing the scales between personal ambition and the commitment to family leadership, and the continuous cycle of learning and teaching.

Feel the weight of impostor syndrome and anxiety lift as we dissect the delicate dance of personal growth, self-care, and the power of being 'selfish to be selfless.' Brendan's narrative challenges us to take care of our own needs as a vital strategy in effectively nurturing others.

Finally, Brendan imparts a mindset shift that celebrates the pursuit of impact over perfection, advocating a "ready, fire, aim" approach to launching ideas and products.  We'll discuss the intricate relationship between building confidence, asserting our value proposition, and the dynamic nature of coaching.

Get ready to be emboldened to stand out in your field, nurture your self-worth independently of your professional milestones, and appreciate the crucial role of a supportive community in your entrepreneurial journey.

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Speaker 1:

Welcome to Forging Resilience. Exploring for a different perspective on strength and leadership, join me as we discuss experiences and stories with guests to help gain fresh insights around challenge, success and leadership. Today, on Forging Resilience, we're joined by Brendan Chaplin, who's a 20-year elite performance coach, turned online mentor and educator, and now he's helping people build the businesses of their dreams, specifically through education and coaching. So, brendan, welcome to the show, buddy. Now then, aaron, you just read that off LinkedIn, didn't you? How did?

Speaker 1:

you know, no, it's good to be here. Thanks for having me. It's the best way to do an introduction for me, because they're short, I don't mess it up too much, and then I can hand it over to you to elaborate.

Speaker 2:

So yeah, for people that don't know.

Speaker 1:

I should have just put something really stupid on LinkedIn. There is some quite genius stuff in there, one of them being never ask, no, never invite a polar bear to a disco with giraffes. I think is the best one that I've seen recently. I like that. I like I don't know what it means, but I'll think about it later. Neither, neither, I'm sure, some sort of innuendo. But, mate, for people that don't know, you give us a bit of an introduction as to what you're up to and a tiny bit of your background. We'll dig into it from there, brendan yeah, sure.

Speaker 2:

So I am essentially a performance coach. Let's go with that. Coaching is absolutely runs right through me. I am an entrepreneur. I've built an online education business and sold it. Other companies I'm involved with. I've got a great partnership with a franchise business and work with founders and investing companies as well. Um, I love coaching and education. I really believe in it and, um, any anyone that's got an exciting project that's impactful, I'm interested in it. My company, my main business, is called Impacted, and that came from the desire to make an impact and education, hence Impacted. But fundamentally, it's wider than that. It's more about we want to work with businesses where we can make an impact and their impact is really, really meaningful too. So, yeah, that's my, my focus at the moment. Aaron, yeah, love it, mate.

Speaker 1:

What got, what got you into coaching and performance coaching buddy it's.

Speaker 2:

I mean, my parents are teachers. Um, I've always been more of a sort of studier and, like I was originally a martial artist, I still am. I would still kind of define myself to a degree like that and the what worked for me, what I was obsessed with for so long and to a degree still am with martial arts, is not being a fighter or winning contests, but the endless depth of knowledge that you can't complete it. It always evolves, and so I spent a long time traveling the world training with some really great people in the field of martial arts, and then the desire to then teach that you know and to help people to do that. I think it's. It's either I think it's probably in your blood or not in your blood. For me that that's always been that approach of learn, do teach you know, learn it, do it. Achieve some level of proficiency, teach it further, reinforce your proficiency, and, um, there's nothing better than helping people win mate, whatever winning means to them, you know.

Speaker 1:

So that's the game, and I guess it's a cycle, then, isn't it? Because, as you mentioned there, once you impart your knowledge, you see your own gaps and get to elevate your game, but at the same time, you're bringing up people that are learning from you as well.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I think that learning and improving yourself is intrinsically extremely rewarding, and it goes way beyond making money or anything else, doesn't it? It's actually about how you improve, and so I think that's coaching helps me improve. I learn more from my clients than I think probably they get from me, so but that that works, it's a win-win. So, yeah, big part of my life, that Aaron and uh continually doing courses and trying to get good people around me to to learn from and be around, and so on and so forth, it's really really cool if, if you were to attribute your success or progress to anything, what potentially might, might a few factors be there, brendan.

Speaker 2:

I mean desire is key, you know. Drive, that's for me. I feel lucky to have a high level of achievement drive, but every strength is also a weakness't it. Maybe we'll come to that. So for sure, a big, big drive to to make things happen and do things quickly. And I think, fundamentally, the the making things happen, the achievement is is really about challenging myself, about actually saying can I handle this? Is this, is this where I'm going to go? Um, what, what happens when dot dot dot? So it's a series of experiments and um and so, yeah, I still have the fire burns brightly, for sure, even now, but it's slightly reframed and different to what it was when I was maybe 25 or or even younger, you know so what?

Speaker 1:

what is that desire or drive? What's the dream? What do you strive for, then, with your business, with your work?

Speaker 2:

well, there's two like, so I would call that personal and business. For a second, the personal is really to challenge myself how far can you take this? Where can you go? What can you do For good or for bad? That is um, and I haven't found a way to tame that yet. You know, maybe I shouldn't uh, it's slightly different, but that that is everything. For me, the business is all individual. Some businesses, you, you want to build and sell. Other businesses it's more about serving and more about impact. But the rationale and where it comes back to is just trying to be a better version of yourself, and I know that's cheesy, but that's the core driver, you know. Yeah.

Speaker 1:

And is there a price that you've had to pay then at any stage, or that you're aware of, in that pursuit and drive and desire to continue to strive and grow and improve?

Speaker 2:

I don't. I don't necessarily think it's that healthy as a whole. I've paid lots of prices. You know I was I've got.

Speaker 2:

I I mean when I, when I was in my teens, I was on medication for depression and the reason for that, I would say in my own layman's interpretation, was that I was completely and utterly purposeless, but I had massive achievement drive and desire to do something. I was extremely restless and the anxiety it caused pushed me into a pretty dark place. My happiness was when I I read a book called shape shifter by Jeff Thompson, great martial artist, who talked about becoming a full-time martial artist. And at the time I was working on building sites, I was doing some studies and I was like I absolutely detest this. I don't want the site manager development program. Nothing wrong with that, it's just not for me, it's not congruent with my values. And the book gave me permission and literally my life changed in those pages Like wow, now I can do it. Okay, great, I've got permission. So lots of anxiety there. I've got permission, so lots of anxiety there as I've built and done things and achieved success.

Speaker 2:

Massive imposter syndrome that's never gone away. You just learn to manage it. Continual anxiety. You know I'm a big fan of the quote by Soren Kierkegaard the greater the person, the greater the anxiety. It really helps me that because it normalizes what you're going through. If you're trying to do big stuff, baggage will come with that. So your choice is this accept the baggage or don't do big stuff, and I'm kind of in that frame of mind. If you're pushing hard, there will be mindset shifts and things that you've got to cope with. However, normal anxiety is fine, isn't it? It's normal when it becomes health adverse. That's when you've got a problem, and I've definitely had that.

Speaker 2:

I had really difficult times as I was growing the company, managing the whole thing before I sold the business in 2019. That gave me a level of freedom that I wanted, but the cost of that was was tangible, was tangible, and to this day, I still have to manage some of those. It was all stress related, aaron. You know I didn't know that at the time.

Speaker 2:

There was real concerns like I was like at one point I'm like I'm saying goodbye to the kids here, but but it ended up unraveling into just chronic anxiety, stress that needed managing and so on and so forth. It's made me a really I'm grateful for it, mate. You know, I'm really, really grateful for it because I managed to get things fairly early in my life that some people maybe, if I'd have got it 20 years later, I might have had a heart attack and died. I actually got it at a time where I was strong enough physically and all the kind of pathways were in place to help me somehow find a way to cope with it. I'm getting a bit deep and meaningful, but yeah, everything comes with a cost.

Speaker 1:

I think you know, definitely mate, and yeah, I like deep. You know definitely mate, and yeah, I like deeper meaning, phil, as you know from our other chat.

Speaker 2:

I know you've sort of sucked me in in 20 minutes.

Speaker 1:

It's like tell me about your family.

Speaker 2:

Tell me about your child.

Speaker 1:

We're not going there, mate. We haven't got that long. So I think it's really interesting what you're saying about imposter syndrome and anxiety and you've you know a little bit about my story and path and and helping uh support me through that, so you understand a little bit. And it's fascinating, isn't it? Once we get to understand that we're not on our own, it's really normal to feel certain things, but I'm curious to see how you manage. I'll just pause myself. If we make the assumption, then, that you're always going to be driven, you're're always going to have a drive, that there will always be a price, how do you manage that to make sure that you're not going? Or how can we as humans manage that to make sure we're not going too far into the red before we pay a price?

Speaker 2:

I think, for me, you learn about your body and mind over many, many years and when you learn, you can administer the cure a little bit more effectively than you could or could not when you were in your teens and 20s, for example. So I think listening is the key to begin with, but also you've got to accept who you are and you can. It's like the I talk about the graphic equalizer. You know you can tune up and tune down certain things, but you can't turn them off. So acceptance, and with that in mind, if you accept who you are, in my case I'm a big believer in selfish, to be selfless. You've got to lean in and do the things that you need self-care, whatever that looks like, to enable you to give more to the people that matter.

Speaker 2:

And we've we've talked about it previously the whole managing family, managing time, commitment to that, the cost of not doing that, the guilt that goes with it. But fundamentally, you are who you are, accept it, give yourself enough self care and be selfish enough to do that, because actually, by not being selfish, you are being selfish. You're not, you're not giving yourself enough of yourself to the people that matter. And, uh, and then you know, have that clear vision of like what, what is going on here, I think. I think maybe we talk about leadership. You, you've got very good philosophies on that, but from my perspective family leadership uh, of which I am a co-leader I don't think I'm the leader of my family, my little family, but leadership is setting the vision and taking people on the journey, and if they know the destination and they know what it's all about, then they're more likely to accept the challenges that come along the way.

Speaker 1:

I think you touched on something interesting there, and and it's around that, yeah, lots of us have those insights once we get to a certain age. But I think something that I would add to that, for me personally, would be the things like that you do is give that support and ask for help, and because certain people can see those things or see those traps, or share their experiences to help us, which is where your coaching really comes into its own, isn't it? And, and that's what you help people do. It's a and that's what coaching is really. It's not a, it's not a shortcut, but it's definitely an accelerated part of certain journeys. Um, even though there is things that you have to walk yourself and learn, like you've said, but there's definite things that because for me, it just it. They're constant limiting beliefs, even though I work hard on them, because, going back to imposter syndrome, anxiety and stress really normal human emotions, but they're just keeping us safe. Yet sometimes we we struggle to question that for ourselves, right?

Speaker 2:

yeah, I completely agree, and coaching is shining a light on some of those things. It's not solving them and it's not diagnosis. It's just basically putting a light on something that you can't see and then figuring that out. And however you work as a coach I know you've got a lot of people here that will listen, that are coaches yeah, I dovetail between coach, mentor, like I don't really label it too much, but you know, however you work, it is letting that person figure it out and taking them through that process and being a bit of a co-pilot along the way yeah, for me definitely.

Speaker 1:

And yeah, going back to imposter syndrome, I love I I've said quite a few times I'm changing my language around that but one thing I heard that, just like you know, the bigger the person, the bigger the anxiety, or the greater the desire, greater the anxiety. For me, it's like don't try and get rid of imposter syndrome, get good at it, because it means you're about to level up or you're around people that are further ahead of you and can teach you something. So, yeah, it's really fascinating when to zoom in, when when to zoom out. So what, what it's?

Speaker 2:

it's a yeah, sorry to cut in, it's a um, it's a teacher imposter syndrome. And it's at that point that, if you can lean into that, as you say, it's telling you get it done, go do something, challenge yourself. If it's not there, there's a problem. I would say or you're too comfortable, not there, there's a problem. I would say, or you're too comfortable, exactly that you're not, you're not having a go. Uh, maybe that's when I use that language, that's, that's my language, because it's it's how I operate my, my os. But, um, yeah, you get my point. It's, it's some, it's a teacher to be listened to?

Speaker 1:

I think definitely yeah, and I'm learning that slowly at 44 years of age, but, yeah, love it. Mate. What's some attributes that you've seen with all the clients that you've worked with and all the different sectors the common sort of mindset that successful business and projects have?

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I think I was with a very high performance athlete last week and a long relationship with them. When I'm in her company, you realise where you're at often. And the two things that come to mind is environment and language. Ruthless, around the performance environment that she's in and I don't mean you know, know particular support staff or coaches, I mean in life, in life, to construct what she needs, and that might not be conscious, but you can see it.

Speaker 2:

And the second thing is language intentional, intentional, certain and language feeds behavior, behavior feeds language to a degree. But I think that, to answer your question, those are two things that you can adapt and modify, but for sure, when I look at business owners, athletes, successful humans, they know where they want to go and they're completely intentional about it and they are not particularly, if at all, tolerant about any noise around that. And that for me is is I always use the phrase straight line strategy what is the straightest line for you to achieve? The thing that you're trying to achieve? That is this is it forces a straight line, that or straighter line?

Speaker 1:

yeah, interesting that and and I think it's interesting we speak, when we speak about certain businessmen, women um athletes, entrepreneurs and even certain sport. Well, yeah, it's really. What I'm trying to say is it's really easy to pedestal people and assume that they're different, and in some cases they are. In some cases, they're incredibly driven to an unhealthy point and they will never find what they want at the end of what they're looking for. But on on the other side, there will be no doubt that they're very, very human people and go through the whole range of human emotions, yet they're able to focus on what's important to them, just like you said, because they've got a very clear vision yeah, I agree with you.

Speaker 2:

I agree with you. We're all human, we're all fallible, aren't we?

Speaker 1:

yeah, but I think we forget and and and and, as you know, with people with certain backgrounds, and sometimes mine and I still make the same mistake with people that are further along their journey, or served that longer or got more experience in certain areas, or it's not the same for them, because poor old, little old, me type of comparison, which is never really healthy because we're too busy staring over the garden fence rather than focusing on what I can do for me to move me forward on on my journey. Yeah, good point, really good point. But you did a post the other day and I was looking at. I think it's about um, your first landing page for for a course that you did on word or something like that. And and yeah, I'm interested in about the concept of it being good enough to get it out there to start the ball rolling, because I often overthink or wait for the perfect moment. But what's your sort of philosophy on having ideas and moving them along to fruition or to so?

Speaker 2:

for sure. It's all about getting your work out there and not sitting on your work, and so, with that in mind, I absolutely adopt the philosophy of adopt the philosophy of ready fire aim instead of ready aim fire. And the problem with ready aim fire is that you get something, you've got the idea you maybe will get it ready. You then sit on it and do that for longer and longer and longer. The the world moves on, you move on and you haven't done anything and you haven't got the learnings from that project. And so that's like Apple waiting to release iPhone 14 instead of releasing 1 to 13.

Speaker 2:

Makes no sense. Gauge the feedback. If your vision is to make impact and if your vision is to serve people, like pretty much most great businesses and entrepreneurs would do, if you want to get your product in the hands of people and if you believe in your products, you have a duty to ship it and get it out there and do the work. So for me, it is always about getting it out there, gauging feedback, accepting that it's not going to be perfect and that you will need to modify and improve it, but actually that will make a better product at the end of it than if you just waited and shaped it and so on and so forth to begin with, and if you're driven by impact and if you're driven by serving people, then that for me, that strategy will always outperform anything else.

Speaker 1:

So what are you tapping into personally, then, to get those things out the door before they're quite ready, because I would assume, being a fellow human, that you will have some noise around that as well, as you've alluded to earlier on so for me personally and you know I say this to you, having launched and created thousands of different products over the years, digital and in person it is absolutely driven by the content, and the outcome that you will achieve is there.

Speaker 2:

If I believe that I now need to get it into your hands as fast as humanly possible, because I'm in pain if you don't experience the product and there might be financial goals, but it is absolutely more about this product will help you consume it now, and so by holding that back, you don't get it, you don't get the good stuff, you stay in more pain off the back of that. So that that's the motivation here impact first, always the income follows, and if you're driven by impact and you want to get your stuff in the hands of the people that need it, make it quick to take it to market and challenge yourself to do that.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, my coach once said to me stop being so fucking selfish and make some offers. Yeah, I can see that in a different light. Well, it's like tangent.

Speaker 2:

It's like launching products and let's call it marketing. We touched on that. But selling is the other side. Um, what? What's the phrase? We're not allowed to talk about snm, you know, and, uh, we're kind of not, are we? But we talk about selling. It's exactly the same there. If you believe in your product and you know it will help people whoever the person you're talking to, the audience you're presenting to whoever, then my message, my feeling, is it is negligence for you to not sell your stuff. It's negligent to that audience, because what's going to happen? They're going to stay stuck or they're going to go to somebody else who doesn't have the same level of product or service that you do.

Speaker 1:

So your job is to sell hard and then people get the outcome that they're really in need of, and that's that's the way I see sales and marketing in that way, yeah and so, in terms of people, that would come back to you as in a reason or excuse that to not start to wait a bit longer to work on that next thing, to make it slightly more unique or perfect or valuable. How can people stand out, make themselves different, if we assume that the excuse is there's so much noise in the marketplace, in whatever sector?

Speaker 2:

Yeah, so that assumption is there to be challenged, though, because there is only one of you or one of your brand, and brands have multiple, or people or businesses have multiple components, have multiple components. So if you are only competing on the thing itself, then there might be noise, but actually you're not competing at all because there is only one of you and your personal qualities and your personal values and the stories that support them. When aligned and combined with the actual outcome, the service let's call it coaching for a second. When you marry those two pillars together, there is no competition. There is no competition. There is only the right audience or customer for you.

Speaker 2:

And always let's talk coaches here, always coaches are obsessed with we've got to have this big following, we've got to build our social media following and whatnot. But if the value of what you do is so high which it is and you lean into your personal values and the outcomes that you deliver which not a lot of people do but could, you don't need many customers coming through your books at all to make a fantastic living. So the? The answer is never in how do I grow my following? It's always in how do I lean into my core values and my stories and the really empowerful sorry, impactful outcome that it delivers for the people that I serve. And so, if you get that right, in my eyes there is no noise and certainly you don't need to be distracted by or care about that noise.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, I know, I recognize that as an excuse, as myself that I've used and as we've alluded to, every time I've got a mate of mine, carl, who's a coach as well, and he's got this brilliant saying at every level, there's another devil, um.

Speaker 1:

So once you get, once you get past that one, don't worry, you'll get to the next one in in time. You know, there's always another challenge around the corner, be it emotional, intellectual or even sometimes physical. You know, depending on on on your stuff, and, and I think for me, something that's helped as well, then, is to learn to separate my, my value, my self-worth of who I am as a person in regards to the results. So, that is to say, lots of clients good erin, I can feel good about myself not as many clients, or no clients bad errand, sad errand type of thing, you know, and that that that's a process. It's a process, but it comes back to, I think, what you're saying learning to see ourselves for who we are, the values that we stand by, and and using that as a, as a building block. Would that be a fair assumption there, mate, or a summary?

Speaker 2:

yeah, I think that's a fair summary. You know the what. What I see is you look at the market. Let's call to the noise, to the market, and instead, why not think about, well, what is my absolute best work? You're in my coaching community, and I shared a video on that, didn't I this morning. What is the very, very best work that you can do, and who is that for? And by default, then, I would say, you're going to be happier delivering that work, more fulfilled. The person who it's for is going to get a great outcome, and here's the great thing. Everybody else that it's not for, that's fine. It's like. This is not for you. This is not for you. The challenge, though, is holding your nerve as you communicate this value proposition in these services, and not slowly falling back into the noise. You have to take some time and hold your nerve, I think, to do that.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, it's lucky I've got one of my values written down here courage, you know, and it's something that I used to think it was one thing and now it's completely the other. It's, yeah, like you say, holding the nerve, speaking the price. That you know you're worth sometimes doubling it just to see what happens. All that good stuff, you know you're worth sometimes doubling it just to see what happens. Um, all that good stuff, you know making offers to people that sometimes we assume are further along or don't need or want our services, um, so, yeah, yeah I'll tell you.

Speaker 2:

I'll tell you what, like it'd be good to get your thoughts on this as well. But you know, I have a very good friend who is a great executive coach and we have some great conversations and sometimes we'll talk about people in society might be an athlete, might be an entrepreneur, might be a whoever and he'll often just sort of throw out the comment of like could you coach them, brendan, do you think you could coach him? Do you think you could coach her? And it's a really interesting question to think about. Yes, I know things that they could probably benefit from, as most coaches do, but can you coach them?

Speaker 2:

And I think that as you move up and you gain more confidence of like, yeah, I can coach that person absolutely, you have more courage to use your value, to speak with conviction, to say I have absolutely got this, I have got your back here, aaron. I know I can help you, I'm the right coach for you. And we bottle that a lot. You know you've got to always fight for your business and I think if you're pricing right, you should have to fight for that. You know, maybe there's a little what's the word? A little Canva image we create there if you price it right. You have to fight, but I think it's normal to do that communicate your value proposition and go for it and get the client if you can coach them?

Speaker 1:

yeah, and for me then? So what I hear, if you were going to ask me that is, there's a couple of things I'd point out. One is the ability to and if we're talking about mindset coaching, there's a difference between mindset or coaching, and mentoring. Coaching is, for me, providing the space for that person, asking them the questions to tap into certain areas of their mind or beliefs that they're maybe not aware of, so that they can come to their own conclusions. It's almost like I say it's cleaning the lens of their perspective of what's possible or where they are, whereas mentoring is slightly different in the sense of this is what I've done, this is what you could do, so it's almost not fun, but coaching is a very dynamic process. Just like you said earlier on I I also flick flack between what that person needs. It's not about me. Um, so that's sometimes a coach, sometimes a friend, sometimes a kick up the ass, it's sometimes a mentor, sometimes a teacher. Um, yes, and it's all about so.

Speaker 1:

For me, again, it goes back to my ability to hold that space for them without coming to my own conclusions. So ask you questions without judging, because I assume that you know all the answers, you hold all the power and all my job is just to peel back the lessons. If I think you need to do a, b and c, that's a projection of what I see, which could be fear-based, which could be me trying to help you but push you down a slightly wrong path. So for me, as a coach, it's my ability to do the work, to have done my internal work so that I can hold the space. Because with Halen I've had some really interesting high-powered clients come through and if I look at them on paper, what are you doing with me? And the noise creator and the imposter syndrome, and then then I remember that they're just humans. They need some support and what they really value is direct questions with no judgment, so they can realize they come to their own insights yeah, yeah, I 100 agree.

Speaker 2:

Where I'd offer a slightly different thought process is some sometimes like whether you define as coaching metric. It's it's what's not said. That's that where the power lies. You're, you're, you're, your silence and holding that conversation. That's really what I mean when I'm thinking about can you coach them. It's having that ability to hold that conversation. And mentoring absolutely agree with the definition. There's a lot more telling in that. But mentoring can be behavior as well and can be, can be, can be languaging, certainly can be environment, and so that rubs off as well. And you know, when you're in the company of a high performance person, because you find your level rising and you're conscious of that and that and it's, at what point do you not get to the same level as them? That's where you're in that situation of yeah, I'm confident I can coach this person. In fact, so confident I'm certain let's do it.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, and it's something I love to talk about is the difference between confidence and self-confidence, because often, for me, confidence is a byproduct, so we'd have, we have to do it x amount of times before we get it. Yet a lot of us, myself included, make the assumption and I still do, even though I teach this stuff is that I need to feel confident before I take that first step, before I fire ready. Confidence, yeah, I'll fire. No, it's, it's the self-confidence which is that, which is that belief, which is what you're saying basically, is to tap into something a bit deeper, which is where the courage comes in absolutely backing yourself.

Speaker 2:

You know nobody else is going to back you if you won't yeah so, so how?

Speaker 1:

here's one for you, the mate. So how do we what? What can we do to to learn to back ourselves, or some steps that you encourage people to take to back themselves?

Speaker 2:

start small. Start small, it's, it's daily stuff and um, incremental gains. You know the overused phrase but the compound effect of doing that and sharing um, you know whether it's building a brand, whether it's content. You know, start small and do it regularly and uh, and practice. Essentially, that's what happens when you start small and do it regularly. You get practice and then you can get the reinforcement loop of self-confidence, growth and belief there, um and and also having a team around you, having a coach to bounce these things off or a mentor, depends what's right to reflect and refine, because you're going to make some mistakes, aren't you? And so they're not disastrous, they're just moments of learning. So it is, I think. For me it's just get started, outwork your discomfort, do it day by day and it will come.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, I love that and yeah, I completely agree. It's practice. We can't expect practice, we can't expect you can't expect to be strong if you don't go to do the reps and so you have to start. Yeah, yeah, but it seems sometimes seems so basic that brush it off, there's no need, there's no need to remember the things that I've done, well, all the things that I'm good at. I'd argue against that. Just like you said, start small and get practicing.

Speaker 2:

I think so, and I think you get knocked off your perch and there's bad days, aren't there? But that's when you've got to have that clear vision of what are you trying to become here, what are you trying to build? And always that mission is the thing that gets you back on the horse, isn't it? Say right, right, let's keep going. Then do another, do another month of this, or take on another client. That could be a really difficult project, but what are you going to get from it? And so on and so forth.

Speaker 1:

So you know, mission led, mission led is key if, if you were going to answer your own question, I'm sure you'll put it in the group later on. But for those of us, also, those that aren't in the group yet, um, when do you do your best work? And and who's that for brendan?

Speaker 2:

that that is. I'm constantly refining that. What about a moment well-timed question, because I'm actually actively thinking about it at this point in time? I absolutely do my best work one-to-one in an immersive environment, and I tend to work better over shorter periods of time than longer term engagements where I believe and I can make quick, impactful changes to somebody's either mindset or business or both. So it's all about immersive, intensive coaching for me. That's where I really do my best work, and I like to do that when I've got complete presence from the other person as well. So they either come to me me we're doing it in person, um or there's some kind of just deep focus there from them, and that that is really really deeply fulfilling work for me.

Speaker 1:

But that's because it I can get better transformations off the back of that, yeah, by the way that you work in the systems that you implement, but also because of who you are and having that awareness and realization Awesome, brilliant stuff, mate. Is there anything that you would like to mention, bud, before we start to guide it towards wrapping it up?

Speaker 2:

No, it's a good conversation. I've really enjoyed it. I appreciate the questions you've asked. Anybody's welcome to reach out to me on linkedin or instagram. You just type my name in. I'm at brendan chaplin, or linkedin is just my full name, brendan chaplin and um. Shoot me a dm if you want to have any feedback. Guys have a conversation. If you want to join my coaching community, I'll send you the link for that as well, and maybe you can leave it somewhere around the podcast.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, definitely 100%, mate. I'll leave all those links in, and the community as well. Mate, what can we expect to see from you in the not too distant future, then, if you're through a bit of a transition phase and considering what you're working on, what potentially might we see?

Speaker 2:

Yeah, so I'm kind of working on two core areas here. The first one is helping coaches to deliver their best work and get really really well paid for it signing clients that really value them, so got some really good proven systems for that. And the second is working with service-based entrepreneurs or coaches and educators, too, to build a scalable performance business that creates freedom for them, and you know, freedom's the game for me. I think living life on your terms, having choices, typically results in greater happiness, so there's many ways to do that. There isn't just one way, but certainly the two ways that I've outlined there will will unlock that for most people. So, yeah, that's my focus right now and all my content at the moment is geared to that. All my coaching is geared to that. So you know, if anybody listening that floats your boat, then we should talk.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, definitely, brendan. It's been brilliant to chat to you, mate. Thanks so much for for taking the time. There's a fascinating insights there around business and and mindset. I know you've. I appreciate your support that you've given me on on my journey as well, mate. Um, yeah, we look forward to for what watching where your, your groups and your transition go buddy.

Speaker 2:

So thanks very much thank you, thanks for having me, thanks for listening everybody and uh, yeah, we'll do it again soon.