Forging Resilience

33 Coaching - Ryan Pickard: "I just need to get back to basics".

• Aaron Hill • Season 1 • Episode 33

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Can you juggle multiple careers while pursuing your creative dreams? Our latest episode of "Forging Resilience" brings you the inspiring story of Ryan, a boxing gym owner, coach, vice chairman of Repton Boxing Club,  harbors a deep passion for filmmaking. 

We dive into Ryan’s daily struggle to balance his many responsibilities and explore how he can align his professional commitments with his creative aspirations. Tune in as we delve into his journey, uncovering strategies to help him find fulfillment amidst a whirlwind of obligations.

How do you overcome the fear and procrastination that hold you back from reaching your goals? In a candid conversation with Ryan, we tackle the common challenges that many face when trying to pursue both professional and creative ambitions. 

We discuss the power of taking small, manageable steps to overcome psychological barriers and make tangible progress on projects. Listen as we break down the process of moving forward incrementally, even when the end goal feels overwhelming, and share insights that can help you apply these strategies to your own life.

What can boxing teach us about composure and success in personal projects? Drawing parallels between the discipline of boxing and the art of filmmaking, we explore the importance of maintaining composure and managing emotions to achieve success. 

Ryan opens up about his experiences, sharing valuable lessons on overcoming internal barriers like fear of judgment and frustration. 

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Speaker 1:

Welcome to Forging Resilience, exploring for a different perspective on strength and leadership. Join me as we discuss experiences and stories with guests to help gain fresh insights around challenge, success and leadership. Ryan, welcome to Forging Resilience, mate. Thanks for having me. Yeah, no worries, buddy. So, as you know, in this episode, what we're looking to do is do a demonstration of a coaching session. I'm reaching out to people that that I know and trust, um, and and coaching them for for their experience, but also for other people as well, and what we're really after is is small cleaning moments of perspective for insights, so that we can start to take small steps towards those.

Speaker 1:

Often we get caught up in daily life, in thoughts, in work and relationships, and sometimes it takes somebody to hold some space for us to ask us some questions so that we can reflect on things in a slightly different way, so that we can take a slightly different course of action. So that's what this, this episode is, is about today. So, ryan, with that in mind, mate, just give us a snapshot. We'll warm straight up. So warm up slightly rather than going straight into it, but just give us a little snapshot of where you are in your life, mate, in in your business at the moment, but well.

Speaker 2:

As you know, ron, you know me, uh, fairly well. I have a sort of myriad of different things I've got going on and obviously I I own a boxing gym. That's my, that's my main business, that's what pays the mortgage and I'm a boxing coach. So I coach as well as try to run the business and be creative and come up with ideas and all of that kind of stuff. So that's my kind of day-to-day stuff as well.

Speaker 2:

As I'm the vice chairman of Repton Boxing Club, which is the club that I grew up in, that I learned my craft in, I went through the system, learned as a kid, become captain of the club and was captain for 10 years more than 10 years and I'm now retired as a boxer but I give back to the club by organising stuff. I'm the vice chairman there. So that's another thing that I've got going on. And also I have a side job that is doing some security work. That just kind of happened. I didn't seek that out, it just kind of happened for a premiership football team and I have a film that I made that is on the back burner, that when I say on the back burner, it's on on the shelf collecting dust.

Speaker 2:

Um, I've got an obsession with films, or you know film. A while back and I've got it in my head. I wanted to make something, wrote a couple of short films and then I wrote this documentary and I made this documentary and it's just sitting there gathering dust and isn't across the line, but it's pretty much there. What else have I got? That's sort of hanging on me, um, on top of trying to find a way that I can, I suppose I suppose, run my business at the same time as stimulating myself in a way that makes me feel fulfilled, whether it's creatively or doing things with my son. I've got a five-year-old boy. We live pretty central in London, so it's intense trying to, you know, keep that, keep that plate spinning. You know, making sure that you can pay your bills and pay your mortgage, because bloody expensive, um, so I feel like there's a lot of pressure. Um, I think that's giving you a snapshot there on yeah, definitely, definitely so in terms of today's conversation.

Speaker 1:

What might we talk about that would be valuable for you? Well, where would you like talk about? That would be valuable for you, or where would you like to focus? That would be valuable for you, bearing in mind you've got quite a few things going on there, mate.

Speaker 2:

I don't really know if I'm honest, I've sort of come on open but not knowing that's part of my problem. I've sort of come on open but not knowing that's part of my problem. Like yesterday, bank Holiday Monday I had the day off from being a parent because my missus went with my son somewhere. So I kind of had the day to myself and I ended up my brain in about 10 different directions, doing a bit of that, doing a bit of that, doing a bit of that, working on stuff I don't normally have time to do. But yeah, I just feel like a. I feel like a bit of a tangle of of ideas and potential, if you like so would would working on having having a bit of space or untangling that yeah I suppose yeah be beneficial

Speaker 2:

yeah, I think, if I could. I think prioritizing is difficult for me because I get pulled. I get pulled from one thing to the next, to the next, because it has to be done. In my mind it has to be done. So just to give you a quick insight we spoke before and I've spoke a lot about psychedelics and stuff and I did a ceremony recently and one of the nights, the last night there, it kind of showed me and I know this sounds a little bit out there, but it kind of showed me that I'm a creative, I'm a filmmaker, or at least I should be working in that world. That is what will fulfill me telling stories through film.

Speaker 2:

And I don't know how I could ever make that jump. You know, from how can I? How can I not be running the business that I'm running, when that's what pays the mortgage, when that's what you know makes my family secure's what you know makes my family secure? I can't make that jump. And it's almost like I'm trying to do, you know, I'm trying to be three or four people. It's like if this session can provide me a couple of PAs, ron, then I'm sorted Mate.

Speaker 1:

I'll tell you. Now you don't need PAs. That's how it feels yeah, I know, but you are your own pa. Nobody knows you better than you do yeah unfortunately, clarity doesn't come until we look back and see what we've done and how we've done it. But as you know what the other thing is, to work on other aspects that are important to us and that there are obstacles out the way so we can take small steps towards what we want. Yeah, it's not always all or nothing.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, what I've realised is when I do look back. Like you just said, when I look back, there are moments in my life that I've shifted gears. This is what I call it. I call it shifting gears and I do more in three months than I've done in the five years before it in order to make a change, make a significant change to my life, but it's normally something very could be profound or traumatic that happens to make that shift have to happen, and what I'd love to be able to do is access whatever it is inside me that shifts, without needing the traumatic episode to happen in order to get there. When I say traumatic.

Speaker 2:

I don't necessarily mean like the potential to be that, it's like A setback. Yeah, I was living in a flat, subletting illegally, just kind of you know, doing whatever I could to get by. You know, not that I'm like the police are hunting me down, but it wasn't legal living. I was cashing hands, sort of doing the best I could just to survive. Then I met my missus and then within 10 weeks she was pregnant and I'm like there's no way that I can bring a baby into this environment. And within a matter of months I've managed to find a way to borrow the money, to get a mortgage, to get you know. And and I look back and think how did, how did we make that happen in that?

Speaker 1:

time, what well? Let me ask you then what did you find to shift up gears, mate, in that sense?

Speaker 2:

well, it was like the urgency, it was like there was, there was something that it was like there wasn't an option for me, and it's like I need that in order to be able to shift those gears. And you know, I don't want to use it as an excuse or anything, but it's just a fact. I've been diagnosed with adhd and I don't know whether that has an impact on that as well. Like I get entanglement and then, and then when there isn't an option, that's when I'll get the.

Speaker 1:

I'll get the stuff done and make that jump but here's the thing right from what I see, mate, that it's you that has made the choice that you wanted to shift gears because you could have stayed living in those um in in that place with your, with, with your missus pregnant.

Speaker 1:

But you made a. You made a, a physical choice, a choice which you followed. Follow through with physical action. Yeah, because because of beliefs that you have about how you want to bring up a family, how you want to create your life and a life for your family, but it.

Speaker 2:

But it's like, it's almost like I have to tap into some sort of survival panic in order to get there. You know, let's say for, for example, tomorrow, my business failed and and, and you know, disappeared. I'm not going to roll over and die and I'm not going to just accept losing my home. I'll find a way and I'll end up doing something. You know, and I'd make those jumps, you know. I know I have that. I have that fight in me, but I don't want to. I don't want to be living like that. I don't want to be living like in panic mode to make things happen. I want to be able to go right. This is where I actually want to be like. This is what would make me more fulfilled.

Speaker 1:

This is where I'm authentically working the beautiful thing is, mate, that you already have that capacity. Yeah, you just don't see it yet and sometimes step. It feels like we're stepping off a cliff, but we're just stepping down a step or up a step or along. Yeah.

Speaker 1:

And what comes to me to share is that often what got us to here won't get us to there. So if you feel it's always been urgency, or that you've backed into a corner before you have to make a decision, then that's what you're, you're kind of scanning for. But what if you didn't need to be backed into a corner?

Speaker 2:

yeah, I understand what you're saying. I'm just saying, I'm just saying for me to make that jump, the jumps that need to be made in order to get me to certain places, it's like I'm scared to lose the security that I have Because, look, I've had a very kind of unsecure life, put it that way. Yeah, and you know, for many years I didn't even have anywhere to live, I was just, you know, bouncing off the sofa. So when I've got home and the potential of losing that home, it stops me from making jumps.

Speaker 1:

that, I know, would probably fulfill me more but, yeah, I, I get what you're saying, and here this is what fear does to us, but we're not. We're not talking about taking any jumps. We're just talking about having a discussion, about tapping into something that allows you to step forward, and what I would draw you back to is what you talked about being fulfillment, or finding fulfillment in creativity, and one of the things you've done is that the short films. But the film that you've got collecting dust. We're not talking to start a career in film yet.

Speaker 2:

No, no, look, I understand that. And Ron, I am. It's off the shelf and I am doing stuff to get that closer to the line. But with everything else that I'm doing I'm in treacle, you know, I'm just it's so slow. And I've got a couple of script ideas that I want to get started on and you know, I've got a mate who's an actor, who wants to write something with me and we're going to write this together, but then to access him is quite difficult, so I'm going to end up starting it myself, and you know. But having the time to sit down and start putting pen to paper an hour here and there just isn't enough. It's almost like I need proper time and these are all excuses, these are all barriers. I understand that.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, yeah, and it's fine because emotionally, we, or intellectually, we understand these things, yet emotionally, there's a lot more powerful forces that keep us grounded to our beliefs, because if we had to step away from them, then that that that used to mean, once upon a time, vulnerability in terms of isolation or judgment or death, whereas now it's just, it's the same level of discomfort, but it doesn't result in that. So what would you classify as your priority then, rai? In taking the smallest step forward, be that in creativity or in the business, just to buy yourself a bit more maneuverability?

Speaker 2:

smallest step? Um, straight away. I'm cluttered in my mind between. So there's a new project, which is start writing a script, and then there's the film that's gathering dust. So the small step is either start getting the film that's gathering dust across the line and off my back and so if we make that real mate, what?

Speaker 1:

what would that look like? What is the smallest step you can take to get that film across?

Speaker 2:

the line. So there's a couple of parts that I want to add to the film in order to get it finished. It's in order to finish it for me and I captured well, went with my cinematographer to capture some footage and we did that, so that's captured. I now need to get that on a hard drive so that I can take it to the editor and we can start editing that stuff in. So I'm there. I'm at that point. I spoke to the cameraman last night about getting the footage from him and he said send me a hard drive and I'll put it on the hard drive and then you'll have it. So then, once I have that, that's the first bit of footage towards the finish.

Speaker 1:

But just watch. So there you go, You've got the smallest step to physically put a hard drive in his hand. But just watch how your brain will go straight to the fear of launching a full-time career, for example in film, rather than just because of the beliefs around it and what that significance for you. Rather than taking that step, giving them the hard drive. Now, what's the next smallest step? Now, what's the next smallest step? Sometimes we get caught in these grand visions and plans and then the fear kicks in. Yeah.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, and I think what it is, ron. I've got a number of different projects that I've got going on and they all need the smallest next step, and my mind goes to the end product every time. But how? How am I going to perfect this? How am I going to get this right?

Speaker 1:

so what? What does perfection protect you from? Then right, perfectionism protect you from failing I suppose what do you? What was a failure to you cool?

Speaker 2:

I mean a bunch of different things really, if we keep it about the film and how that's like resonating humiliation releasing something that's laughed at or seen as incorrect, you know, um yeah, falling flat, it's falling flat, so there's no future in it. That kind of stuff, um yeah it. It makes me feel, on one hand, it gives me that that sort of stress about thinking about it, but in on the other hand, I know, because of the work I've done on myself, that that is exactly where I need to be going. If, if it's going to take courage to get there, then that's definitely where I need to head. If it takes no courage to get there, then that's definitely where I need to head. If it takes no courage to get there, then what's the point in going? There's no growth in that. That's the way I see it anyway.

Speaker 1:

So humiliation, I suppose, is kind of the, the foundation of what's the other side of not being perfect yeah, yeah, and humiliation, as you know, is one of the most the so deeply ingrained in us as humans. To avoid that again, if we go thousands of years ago, if we are humiliated in front of people, or we'd avoid that because it would make us different. If we were different, we were vulnerable or we were weak, we'd be isolated we'd be left alone.

Speaker 1:

So there's a desperate need in all of us, at certain levels, to conform, to not be judged, and so we are usually our harshest critic and judge and we find all these obstacles that we put in our way which causes us so much frustration. Yeah, it's better to stay here than it is out there, humiliated and isolated, and then we lose sight of the small steps that we need to take that just gently nudge us along. We go to right to the end, yeah, and stay safe. What's coming up for you, mate?

Speaker 2:

I, I, I can, I can rationalize and understand what you're saying, but we spoke about this before doing something that for me doesn't look right or sound right or isn't right for me, that almost doesn't feel like worth doing. That's the whole point of me doing it is I want it, I'm trying to achieve something that is coming from in here and I want to get that. Give you an example right. I watched a film by Terence Malick called Tree of Life and he there was. There was a kind of philosophy or something inside me that I couldn't quite articulate and it was inside me.

Speaker 2:

And this guy has made this film and I watched it and he has made this film. That was like for me, he's nailed it. That's exactly what I want to get what's in me, out of me and I want it to be exactly as it is. If I get it out of me and it didn't quite get there, then I didn't achieve the goal. So I'm also making a podcast and I've got a number of different things I'm doing, and if my idea isn't going to come to life, then why bother in the first place?

Speaker 2:

Does that make sense? Am I making sense?

Speaker 1:

But also it doesn't have to make sense to me. If it makes sense to you, then that's fine. But I get what you're saying right, and and the way that you keep yourself both safe and frustrated and half fulfilled is by starting loads of new things but never finishing them, because there's the humiliation, the other side, yeah, and intellectually we get that, but emotionally it's so grounded into us. But if we take that aside for the moment, and which of those things that we're talking about, then right is, is the priority at the moment? If you could park and if if we'd look at the creativity side of it for the moment. We've talked about the film, about getting the hard drive to the editor. Yeah, does, does that feel like progress for you?

Speaker 2:

yeah, yeah, it's very, it's very small steps and you know, and they are, they are what I would call operational steps, like I'm like there's no, there's no, uh, it's not part of me, coming out of me to make that happen no, not yet, except, except kicking it down the road to never get the hard drive to him yeah so, so what?

Speaker 2:

what you know, in my, the way to achieve that goal this week is to order a hard drive on Amazon. I've got his address and away it goes and that's done. So he collects the hard drive, he then puts the footage on it, then that part's done.

Speaker 1:

And then it's the next small step. Yeah, for that one project or the priority that week yeah right, when you get somebody stepping into your gym for this first time, you're teaching them about boxing. Yeah, what's what's two or three things that you really hammer home to them about? About boxing, training, your philosophy, how they need to show up the three most important things that you teach people, mate okay, well, first.

Speaker 2:

First of all is we're going to start with moving, moving our feet. Balance feet, okay, okay. So forget about your arms, because everyone walks in thinking they're going to start whacking stuff. And I say forget about your arms, move your feet. If your feet aren't there, you can't land a punch. So you need to learn to move your feet first.

Speaker 2:

The other thing would be you need to leave. You can word it in two ways aggression or ego. You need to leave that in the bin, because if you're using aggression to box, then it's going to be detriment to your craft. And the other thing which is kind of connected to that, but it's one of the first things you want to know, you need to learn, and probably one of the last things you're going to require is composure. So the ability to box is to be composed. In that environment, and I don't care who you are you stick someone in the ring ready to fight someone else. Nobody's composed. You might deal with it, but you're not composed. And you can only perform when you're composed, when you can see what's around you. You can see what's going on, you can see the opportunities.

Speaker 1:

What connection might there be between any one of those things all three of them and you moving your project forward in terms of movement of your feet.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I mean, it's very, very obvious when you put it like that. You know you've got. You've got to learn to move your feet. You've got to be able to get the hard drive there first before you can worry about throwing your punches um, and the composure like, instead of being up in your head and being, like you know, thinking about being a world champion. You know you've got to be able to be composed. First you'll be able to be relaxed and and and, otherwise you can't see what's at the end of your nose and and I'm also hearing in terms of ego and composure it's not about not having the emotions.

Speaker 1:

It's about learning to do it even though you've got them sorry say that again so, in terms of the both the ego and composure, it's not about not having emotions if we look at the boxing thing. It's about being able to do what you need to do even though you've got emotion yeah, yeah yeah, I can, I can relate.

Speaker 2:

I can relate to to what you're saying. I think, think, yeah, I don't know, but maybe I add all of these different things on as a way of stopping me from moving forward. Maybe that's what I do, I don't know. A blind spot is a blind spot. It's called a blind spot because you can't bloody see it and I can't see what it is that stops me from getting forward. But I know there's a lot of potential there.

Speaker 1:

I'm just strangling myself somehow, for me, a part of the clue, a big indication, is the humiliation, the avoidance of judgment.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I said it's a blind spot. I really don't feel like it's that, because in my head, like the podcast, for example, releasing it when I press go, it's gonna give me stress, but I'm ready to do that. I'm not doing it for the, I'm not doing it for the, for the sake of it. You know I'm ready to press go, but I just feel like getting it across, like I've done all the hard work and I'm getting it across the line, just feel so difficult, you know. So maybe maybe it is really subconscious that I'm I'm holding it back on purpose, but I also feel like I'm speaking to the people that I need to speak to. I'm doing the things I need to do. I'm taking those small steps, but I'm like fucking hell, it's taking so long. Let's just get it done, let's get it out. You know, and that's just one. That's the same as the film right, Exactly.

Speaker 1:

So then if you've got, if you spread that across, you'll run into these obstacles at different stages along each of those journeys. But it's not about whether you're going to run into them or not. It's about learning to move. It's about managing your emotions and take and being composed whilst you take that action, with the smallest of steps, moving your feet before you start punching yeah, yeah, but as you can tell even the way I talk about it.

Speaker 2:

You know it frustrates me the smallest of steps moving your feet before you start punching. Yeah, yeah, but as you can tell even the way I talk about it.

Speaker 1:

It frustrates me. It frustrates me that I'm not there. I'm like, but that's the power of it. It will keep you here and safe. Frustrated, so it's. It's. Come back to your feet, mate. We teach what we often most need. Yeah, move what we often most need. Yeah, leave your feet. Yeah, leave your ego at the door.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, learn to compose yourself yeah, yeah it's good, good, good way of putting it, like if I can just get back to my feet on on each thing that I do get back to your.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, and it's pick the smallest task, not 10 against 50 projects. Yeah, Just one and then do the next one. Yeah. And do the next one. I was going to pause it and then crack on, but I don't think I am. But, mate, if you had to ask me a question, what question would you ask me that might help you?

Speaker 2:

I don't know. This is something I'm not good at, it's like. So I've learned to ask for help. I've learned to receive help, but everything I create, or everything there is in my bubble, comes from me. I don't. It's like, ron, I don't want your opinion on you know which one I should. It's like I need to make that decision myself. You know what I mean. It's like I put it all on me.

Speaker 1:

I'm I'm lone wolf you know, because that's that's how you survive, and that when you're in the ring, you are, but you're not in the ring and I understand also that.

Speaker 2:

How can you possibly know what's right for me when it's in me? When it's in me, I've got to find it.

Speaker 1:

I've got to find what's right for me but it's not about me finding what's right for you. It's about asking the right questions or not, and I make mistakes as well to help draw that out of you okay, so all right, I'll ask you a question if you were me, where would you put your energy? Where do you think you should put your energy?

Speaker 2:

well, that's just bouncing the question back. Yeah, 100.

Speaker 1:

I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna answer it, mate. It's to show you that that's a question that's important to you yeah so you feel your energy is split, so where might you need to focus your energy?

Speaker 2:

well, I'm torn. That's why I'm in this predicament. I'm torn, are you though? Uh, yeah, yeah, I've got different parts of me. You know, I feel like I feel like I'm a split personality. I've got different parts of me. There's the boxing club. I'm very proud of it. It provides me a home, it provides me my money to pay my bills and put food on the table for my son and my missus. I love it. I love that place. I'm very thankful of it.

Speaker 2:

But then I go and do ayahuasca and it says you're a creative to find fulfillment, make films. That's what it says to me. I'm like I, I know that, but I can't. I don't know if I can be both. I know, I know I train a movie and there's absolutely no way on this planet that he'd be running a boxing club at the same time as doing what he's doing.

Speaker 2:

He's got all his eggs in the making movies basket, you know, and that's how you become like, successful at some things, because you go what? That's my thing. It's almost like I'm trying to have that and that and that I'm making a podcast, I'm making films and I'm running a business, and then I'm going to do a bit of security on the side and I do that security, to be honest, for that bit of extra money that I help provide. So I can't really afford to just drop that, even though it takes some energy. I can't really afford to just drop that, you know, even though it takes some energy. And then I've got Repton. That's there that I'm like wrestling with, like doesn't even give me any financial gain but it, but it feels like the right thing to do.

Speaker 1:

What would courage tell you to do? Mate Uh.

Speaker 2:

I suppose, run the boxing club and become a filmmaker, regardless of whether that takes able to do it in one body and what comes up for you when you say that.

Speaker 1:

How does that resonate within your body?

Speaker 2:

um, it's just like, yeah, just get on with it. Like it's almost calm, almost a calmness. It's like stop fucking complaining about having to be five people and just get it done you. You choose your path and you've got your potential, so go and do it, instead of sort of bouncing around and saying I don't know whether to be that, that or that, just be it all Without complaint, and if that solves any problems, yeah, sometimes they're not.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, sometimes problems are lessons in disguise yeah and look, you know I'm talking here like, yeah, I'm going to be a movie director. I've just been given this message that tell your, tell your stories through film. That is going to fulfill you. You know, jeff, jeff thompson you mentioned a minute ago, he's a great example, right, he had a story to tell. I went and watched a screening of a short film he made recently. He had a story to tell, he wrote it, someone animated it. They've made a great little short film together. It's something that I would recommend anyone watch the Angel on Oxford Street. You know, it's just a beautiful little film and that's the kind of stuff that maybe I need to do and maybe I can do that on the side of what I'm doing, you know, with the boxing club. But I go back to the perfectionist in me goes, yeah, but I want to get a feature movie to Cannes, and that's ego. Right, that's ego, it's just my ego gets in the way and provides me a reason to not get it done.

Speaker 1:

So you can go back to your lessons that you teach people, and often we get caught in it all or nothing. Yeah. Back to your stance, back to your moving your feet, Otherwise you're never going to learn to be able to slip and roll a punch, and if you've got 98% of a film done or 95% of a film done collecting dust, you're not telling anyone's story. No, but if it's good enough and it goes, you've started telling your story.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, and I wrestle with that actually, do I add anything to it or do I just release it as it is because it's ready to go?

Speaker 1:

if you were to answer that question for yourself now, what would that be?

Speaker 2:

I've already invested, I've already started investing in telling the rest of the story. So it's not quite there for me, okay, but but for you, ron, like if I'm going to learn lessons from being around you a bit, you know, when I did your podcast I would have been, you know, stressing over getting the camera right and stuff and making sure the sound you just go, boom, press record and away we go. And for me that would have bothered me and would still bother me. You know, because when anyone listens to that podcast episode you did with ryan, the sounds, shit, do you know I mean, and that and that that would bother me. That you know. Know, you're not really you're not quite delivering it.

Speaker 1:

For you, except you don't know the power of your words and the effects on other people. We never do. No. That's what perfectionism does it will make sure the lights are perfect and the sound is perfect and it will delay that project or it will never get it out the door. Yeah.

Speaker 1:

Right, I'm going to start to wrap us up, mate, but yeah, because I think you've had a couple of little insights that you can lean into and action. But what's the most useful insight that you've had, or the useful thing that we've talked about, that you've had?

Speaker 2:

or the useful thing that we've talked about today. Well, something I can walk away with, that I can drop back to every time I'm confused or entangled, is get back to your stance, move your feet, because that tells me right, what do I need to be able to move my feet how? It's no point in me throwing punches because my feet ain't even there. So get your feet in position. You've got to get in position before you can throw punches. So get like and and that's in boxing language, but that is, get the hard drive to the cinematographer. Then you're in position, then you've got the footage. The next step, the next movement, is get that footage to the editor, have a conversation with the editor, then get the cinematographer lined up for the next day of shoot. You know and you know, know, it's mechanical. Really, it's just like move your feet, otherwise all I'm doing is slipping and rolling and doing the advanced stuff without any movement.

Speaker 1:

You know I love it, mate, and, and, and. That is what will take you closer to finding that fulfillment. It's not about not having those emotions, it's about being able to manage them. It's about learning to be composed even though you've got them, just like you teach, because, as I said, often we teach what we most need.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, yeah. A good friend of mine says to me I can give good advice, advice, but I can't take it and none of us can mate.

Speaker 1:

That's why we hire coaches. That's why I've got a coach ryan mate, thanks very much for your time.

Speaker 2:

I appreciate it baby it's always great to talk to you. Thank you, I appreciate it.